Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
win.
Rick W

On May 22, 9:55*am, Richard Walters > wrote:
> Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> win.
> Rick W

Rick,

Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying? There
appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds and
max wing loadings.

Thanks,

2C

>Rick,
>
>Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying?
There
>appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds
and
>max wing loadings.
>
>Thanks,
>
>2C
>

Kevin

I can only say that it was flown about one hundred pounds under
the max gross of approx 860#. Conditions never required high
wingloading. Tasks were well called and all flights were challenging,
to say the least. The first practice day was a 100 knot ridge day,
but most did not fly it aggressively.

Rick W

>Rick,
>
>Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying?
There
>appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds
and
>max wing loadings.
>
>Thanks,
>
>2C
>

Kevin

I can only say that it was flown about one hundred pounds under
the max gross of approx 860#. Conditions never required high
wingloading. Tasks were well called and all flights were challenging,
to say the least. The first practice day was a 100 knot ridge day,
but most did not fly it aggressively.

Rick W

I decided to take a look at the National 15 meter contest photograph section
located on SSA contest reports page. Guess what??? There weren't any
pictures of the Duckhawk!!! (Unless you can pick it out of the gaggle
photo.)

Wayne



"Richard Walters" wrote in message
. com...

Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
win.
Rick W

On May 22, 4:26*pm, "Wayne Paul" > wrote:
> I decided to take a look at the National 15 meter contest photograph section
> located on SSA contest reports page. *Guess what??? There weren't any
> pictures of the Duckhawk!!! (Unless you can pick it out of the gaggle
> photo.)
>
> Wayne
>
> "Richard Walters" *wrote in message
>
> . com...
>
> Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> win.
> Rick W

There is one on the Windward Performance website that I think was
taken at the contest.

On 5/22/2012 9:04 AM, Kevin Christner wrote:
> On May 22, 9:55 am, Richard > wrote:
>> Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
>> Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
>> 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
>> win.
>> Rick W
>
> Rick,
>
> Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying? There
> appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds and
> max wing loadings.

It's the middle model, the DuckHawk SV (Super Veloce), with the 200 knot
Vne.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

On 5/22/2012 10:20 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 5/22/2012 9:04 AM, Kevin Christner wrote:
>> On May 22, 9:55 am, Richard > wrote:
>>> Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
>>> Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
>>> 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
>>> win.
>>> Rick W
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying? There
>> appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds and
>> max wing loadings.
>
> It's the middle model, the DuckHawk SV (Super Veloce), with the 200 knot
> Vne.
>


Not that anyone would ever do such a thing, but you could do a pretty
impressive low pass with that VNE.

Another congratulations here to Chip Garner for winning the Nationals in an American made glider.

Tonight I had dinner with Ross Briegleb. Ross was the the first to win a Nationals in an American made ship, a Laister Nugget. It was 37 years ago at the U.S. Standard Class Soaring Championships, Minden.

Walt Rogers, WX

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:55:43 AM UTC-7, Richard Walters wrote:
> Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> win.
> Rick W

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:58:18 PM UTC-7, WaltWX wrote:
> Another congratulations here to Chip Garner for winning the Nationals in an American made glider.
>
> Tonight I had dinner with Ross Briegleb. Ross was the the first to win a Nationals in an American made ship, a Laister Nugget. It was 37 years ago at the U.S. Standard Class Soaring Championships, Minden.
>
> Walt Rogers, WX
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:55:43 AM UTC-7, Richard Walters wrote:
> > Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> > Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> > 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> > win.
> > Rick W

Nice to see Chip and Windward performance debut so well with the Duckhawk. Great to see gliders being built in the USA.

Now what would be interesting would be to see the Duckhawk mix it up with the big-wings (and many 18m ships as well) on some strong days at the Minden open class contest....

Darryl

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:58:18 AM UTC-5, WaltWX wrote:
> Another congratulations here to Chip Garner for winning the Nationals in an American made glider.
>
> Tonight I had dinner with Ross Briegleb. Ross was the the first to win a Nationals in an American made ship, a Laister Nugget. It was 37 years ago at the U.S. Standard Class Soaring Championships, Minden.
>
> Walt Rogers, WX

I'm guessing you mean the last American ship to win a Nationals? Although David Stevenson did win the Sports Class Nationals in 1988 in a 1-34...

"Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/22/2012 10:20 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 5/22/2012 9:04 AM, Kevin Christner wrote:
>>> On May 22, 9:55 am, Richard > wrote:
>>>> Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
>>>> Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
>>>> 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
>>>> win.
>>>> Rick W
>>>
>>> Rick,
>>>
>>> Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying? There
>>> appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds and
>>> max wing loadings.
>>
>> It's the middle model, the DuckHawk SV (Super Veloce), with the 200 knot
>> Vne.
>>
>
>
> Not that anyone would ever do such a thing, but you could do a pretty
> impressive low pass with that VNE.

Now for the hopefully not $1,000,000 question. How much is a Duckhawk going
to set me back?

Pete

Not to open a bag of snakes or take anything away from Chip and/or the
DuckHawk, but Jerzy Szemplinski won the 15M Nationals. Nonetheless,
Chip is the US National Champion as the top American.

Kudos to all.

Derek

> Not that anyone would ever do such a thing, but you could do a pretty
> impressive low pass with that VNE.

Then you could stand by the runway and yell "Duck!... Hawk!"
as it screamed by at 230 mph!

+1

Jerzy is the big story (American patriotism aside). Winning Perry and 15m Nationals back to back is highly, highly impressive.

Congrats Jerzy!

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:18:45 AM UTC-4, Derek Mackie wrote:
> Not to open a bag of snakes or take anything away from Chip and/or the
> DuckHawk, but Jerzy Szemplinski won the 15M Nationals. Nonetheless,
> Chip is the US National Champion as the top American.
>
> Kudos to all.
>
> Derek

On May 22, 9:04*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
> On May 22, 9:55*am, Richard Walters > wrote:
>
> > Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> > Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> > 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> > win.
> > Rick W
>
> Rick,
>
> Do you know what version of the Duckhawk Chip was flying? *There
> appears to be three versions with progressively higher V speeds and
> max wing loadings.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 2C

The version chip was flying for the contest was the DuckHawk SV. The
max gross weight is 960 LB and he never flew above 880 LB during the
contest.
Thanks,
Wade

On May 23, 1:24*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:58:18 PM UTC-7, WaltWX wrote:
> > Another congratulations here to Chip Garner for winning the Nationals in an American made glider.
>
> > Tonight I had dinner with Ross Briegleb. Ross was the the first to win a Nationals in an American made ship, a Laister Nugget. It was 37 years ago at the U.S. Standard Class Soaring Championships, Minden.
>
> > Walt Rogers, WX
>
> > On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:55:43 AM UTC-7, Richard Walters wrote:
> > > Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> > > Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> > > 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> > > win.
> > > Rick W
>
> Nice to see Chip and Windward performance debut so well with the Duckhawk.. Great to see gliders being built in the USA.
>
> Now what would be interesting would be to see the Duckhawk mix it up with the big-wings (and many 18m ships as well) on some strong days at the Minden open class contest....
>
> Darryl

Well hopefully it will peak your interest to know that Chip will be
flying the DuckHawk at the 2012 Open Class Nationals in Minden. Should
be a lot of fun!

On Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:37:20 AM UTC-4, Wade wrote:
>
> The version chip was flying for the contest was the DuckHawk SV. The
> max gross weight is 960 LB and he never flew above 880 LB during the
> contest.
> Thanks,
> Wade

Which means that he was essentially flying at 11 lbs wingloading if the 80sq ft wing area listed on the Website is accurate. That's pretty amazing considering we rarely had more than 3-4kts of often broken lift. I never went with more than 9lbs in my LS8, and that was often too much. I know Chip didn't carry all of the water all the time, but still...

On Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:42:35 PM UTC-7, Wade wrote:
> On May 23, 1:24*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:58:18 PM UTC-7, WaltWX wrote:
> > > Another congratulations here to Chip Garner for winning the Nationals in an American made glider.
> >
> > > Tonight I had dinner with Ross Briegleb. Ross was the the first to win a Nationals in an American made ship, a Laister Nugget. It was 37 years ago at the U.S. Standard Class Soaring Championships, Minden.
> >
> > > Walt Rogers, WX
> >
> > > On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:55:43 AM UTC-7, Richard Walters wrote:
> > > > Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
> > > > Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
> > > > 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
> > > > win.
> > > > Rick W
> >
> > Nice to see Chip and Windward performance debut so well with the Duckhawk. Great to see gliders being built in the USA.
> >
> > Now what would be interesting would be to see the Duckhawk mix it up with the big-wings (and many 18m ships as well) on some strong days at the Minden open class contest....
> >
> > Darryl
>
> Well hopefully it will peak your interest to know that Chip will be
> flying the DuckHawk at the 2012 Open Class Nationals in Minden. Should
> be a lot of fun!


Oh yes it does. Its a small field but interesting mix of gliders and some great pilots.

Darryl

I think that the fact that Jerzy Szemplinski has flown with such
consistency is awesome and not only did he win at Perry but he
literally held the contest lead at Mifflin throughout the entire
event. If that doesn't make you want to hang around Jerzy and learn a
thing or two you are crazy. Nice work Jerzy and you can bet I for one
will be following your scores at the worlds. Good luck in the 18meter
class at Uvalde.
If that wasn't enough excitement for one contest the fact that Chip
Garner took a DuckHawk (that literally had under 20 hours on the
plane
TOTAL and that he personally only had 2 flights in including his
practice day) and competed consistently with the a top class group of
pilots, going on to claim the top spot (among american pilots) is
almost unheard of. There are many challenges to competing in a plane
that you don't have a lot of experience with but Chip deserves a hand
for that effort and display of skill.Looking forward to Chip flying
the DuckHawk at the Open Class Nationals in Minden in a few weeks.
Greg Cole also deserves a hand for all of the effort put into the
DuckHawk project and for bringing another fun and good performing
sailplane to the market!
And if somehow all of this isn't enough for you the Concordia just
flew yesterday! Look forward to hearing more about the flights of
that
unique and amazing plane as well.
What a great time to be completely addicted to soaring!
If the world is wondering how to get more youth/people involved in
soaring I think they should start telling them about how much
excitement there is going on and tell them it's not unrealistic at
all
for them to start learning how to fly these machines and working
their
way straight towards the high performance machines written about
above!
-Wade


On May 24, 8:36*pm, "Sean Fidler (F2)" > wrote:
> +1
>
> Jerzy is the big story (American patriotism aside). *Winning Perry and 15m Nationals back to back is highly, highly impressive.
>
> Congrats Jerzy!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:18:45 AM UTC-4, Derek Mackie wrote:
> > Not to open a bag of snakes or take anything away from Chip and/or the
> > DuckHawk, but Jerzy Szemplinski won the 15M Nationals. *Nonetheless,
> > Chip is the US National Champion as the top American.
>
> > Kudos to all.
>
> > Derek

On May 24, 10:36*pm, "Sean Fidler (F2)" > wrote:
> +1
>
> Jerzy is the big story (American patriotism aside). *Winning Perry and 15m Nationals back to back is highly, highly impressive.
>
> Congrats Jerzy!
>

Is he the one that lost a $20 model airplane in the top of a tree at
Perry and took a chainsaw to an 80 year old oak to get it down?

On Monday, May 28, 2012 12:51:25 PM UTC-4, Jordan Pollock wrote:
> On May 24, 10:36*pm, "Sean Fidler (F2)" > wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > Jerzy is the big story (American patriotism aside). *Winning Perry and 15m Nationals back to back is highly, highly impressive.
> >
> > Congrats Jerzy!
> >
>
> Is he the one that lost a $20 model airplane in the top of a tree at
> Perry and took a chainsaw to an 80 year old oak to get it down?

Definitely not!

Um, I think the word is pique.

At 05:42 27 May 2012, Wade wrote:
>On May 23, 1:24=A0am, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:58:18 PM UTC-7, WaltWX wrote:
>> > Another congratulations here to Chip Garner for winning the Nationals
>i=
>n an American made glider.
>>
>> > Tonight I had dinner with Ross Briegleb. Ross was the the first to
win
>=
>a Nationals in an American made ship, a Laister Nugget. It was 37 years
>ago=
> at the U.S. Standard Class Soaring Championships, Minden.
>>
>> > Walt Rogers, WX
>>
>> > On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:55:43 AM UTC-7, Richard Walters wrote:
>> > > Congratulations to Windward Performance and their new
>> > > Duckhawk, and Chip Garner for being the USA champion in the
>> > > 15m nationals at Mifflin. Congrats also to Jerzy S for the overall
>> > > win.
>> > > Rick W
>>
>> Nice to see Chip and Windward performance debut so well with the
>Duckhawk=
>.. Great to see gliders being built in the USA.
>>
>> Now what would be interesting would be to see the Duckhawk mix it up
>with=
> the big-wings (and many 18m ships as well) on some strong days at the
>Mind=
>en open class contest....
>>
>> Darryl
>
>Well hopefully it will peak your interest to know that Chip will be
>flying the DuckHawk at the 2012 Open Class Nationals in Minden. Should
>be a lot of fun!
>
>

On 5/27/2012 7:23 AM, Papa3 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:37:20 AM UTC-4, Wade wrote:
>>
>> The version chip was flying for the contest was the DuckHawk SV.
>> The max gross weight is 960 LB and he never flew above 880 LB
>> during the contest. Thanks, Wade
>
> Which means that he was essentially flying at 11 lbs wingloading if
> the 80sq ft wing area listed on the Website is accurate. That's
> pretty amazing considering we rarely had more than 3-4kts of often
> broken lift. I never went with more than 9lbs in my LS8, and that
> was often too much. I know Chip didn't carry all of the water all
> the time, but still...

The 80 sq feet is accurate! It provides the DuckHawk with an amazing
(for a 15 meter glider) 30:1 aspect ratio. The relatively light weight
of the glider due to the the small size and carbon pre-preg construction
gives is a significantly lighter span loading than an ASW 27, etc glider:

DuckHawk at 11 lbs/sq ft = 17.6 lbs/foot span loading
ASW 27 at 11 lbs/sq ft = 21.3 lbs/foot span loading

We're all used to thinking in terms of wing loading, but Greg Cole told
me the span loading is the important factor for thermalling - lighter is
better.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

I have to send my congratulations to Chip for flying a great contest and to Greg for designing a great sailplane! I crewed for Chip during the race and we were both impressed with the DH's ability to climb with ballast in weak conditions. Our official weight was generally about 864 lbs after ballasting in the morning and yes Chip did have to dump ballast in very weak conditions or saves but he was able to fly the entire task with ballast on several days. Considering that Chip had one flight in the DH and the DH only had 12 flights under its belt before Mifflin the performance was amazing. And we were learning more about the DH as the contest progressed. Chip was trying a variety of thermaling speeds and flap settings to get the best performance. The DH has a wide range of speeds in thermals and feels "light" even with ballast with a good sense for changes in the thermal during climb. Chip's performance in the DH got better over the contest and I am sure that his score would have been better if he had started with the experience he gained by the end of the contest. All in all this glider performed well "right out of the box" and will only get better has we tweak things like internal and external seals and flying styles.
Bill Thar

On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:16:38 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 5/27/2012 7:23 AM, Papa3 wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:37:20 AM UTC-4, Wade wrote:
> >>
> >> The version chip was flying for the contest was the DuckHawk SV.
> >> The max gross weight is 960 LB and he never flew above 880 LB
> >> during the contest. Thanks, Wade
> >
> > Which means that he was essentially flying at 11 lbs wingloading if
> > the 80sq ft wing area listed on the Website is accurate. That's
> > pretty amazing considering we rarely had more than 3-4kts of often
> > broken lift. I never went with more than 9lbs in my LS8, and that
> > was often too much. I know Chip didn't carry all of the water all
> > the time, but still...
>
> The 80 sq feet is accurate! It provides the DuckHawk with an amazing
> (for a 15 meter glider) 30:1 aspect ratio. The relatively light weight
> of the glider due to the the small size and carbon pre-preg construction
> gives is a significantly lighter span loading than an ASW 27, etc glider:
>
> DuckHawk at 11 lbs/sq ft = 17.6 lbs/foot span loading
> ASW 27 at 11 lbs/sq ft = 21.3 lbs/foot span loading
>
> We're all used to thinking in terms of wing loading, but Greg Cole told
> me the span loading is the important factor for thermalling - lighter is
> better.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> email me)